tv The Live Desk FOX News November 19, 2009 1:00pm-3:00pm EST
they are doing some engineering outside of the international space station, stowing some brand new equipment. the jane: and that will do it for us. "the live desk" is next. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- martha: hello, everybody. trace: this is where the news begins. this is what is behind the news. the national desk is covering america. the foreign desk covers the globe. immediate task is where all the brand new pictures come in. right here, you will always seem than the pictures on the right- hand side of the screen. in the top box, more controversy over trying those 9/11 terror suspects. now there is a concern, statements made by attorney general eric holder and the president may have tainted the
jury pool and could be a boost for defense attorneys. in the middle box, developing news at airports across the country. travelers are scrambling to change their plans after another faa computer glitch caused widespread cancellations. the problem we are told is now fixed, but the delays could last for several hours. in the bottom box, more about the hostage standoff at a t.j. max maxx store. now, the horrifying 911 tapes. >> you and your son ran out the back door? >> yes, we were able to get out. trace: much more on those tapes, and the gunmen, who remain at large.
martha: harry reid says it is finally here. the health care solution that generations have been waiting for. the senate majority leader has rolled out his bill and is moving the process forward by another step. republicans are fighting back. the public option is in his version of the bill. it is 2074 pages long. it has a hefty price tag, as you may have heard. the number crunchers at the cbo put the total at $849 billion over the next 10 years. they say what is in the bill includes billions in cuts for medicare as well as taxes on the so-called rich. statements made by these three senators, blanche lincoln, ben
nelson, and mary leandro -- landrieu are very important because they are among current in what harry reid need to get this passed. carl cameron is with us. it sounds like there are a lot of different issues at play. it sounds like abortion could be at the forefront of the battle. republicans are possibly going to make that a make or break issue for them. >> part of what the rebuild does it is it would allow women to have abortion held through these credits, but no government money would go to abortion programs directly. in the graphic that you just showed, you had ben nelson in the middle. in the past, he has been loath to allow the federal taxpayer
dollars to go to these types of services. now officials are trying to turn of the pressure on ben nelson. debating this after thanksgiving amounts to something of the waterloo for abortion foes. they allow this bill would allow a taxpayer dollars to go to abortion services. a texas republican has reacted. >> those who say they are pro- life but refused to take that stand by worry are not standing up for life. i have a record of voting for life. it is the right thing to do. i asked for a pro-let senator to come here and stand for this bill. pro-life americans are waiting. >> very tough stuff, just an
illustration of the armed- twisting that is going on. the truth is, democrats need 60 votes to go forward on saturday. there are at least a few that have had their misgivings because they have not read the documents. you talk about taxes, more than $304 billion. martha: the analysis of how much it will cost -- the head by a number, $849 billion, $127 billion cut from the deficit in 10 years -- you might think that looks good. but what about when you look into the numbers more? >> the fundamental motivation for health care reform has been that it is too expensive and we want to make interest to less expensive. listen to what the cbo says about those two things, about whether a public option would
bring down costs. they write -- in other words, the idea that the public option is going to bring down rates is not so. what about the idea that it would reduce the cost? the congressional budget office had bad news, quote, -- so the cost to consumers and uncle sam both go up, not down. martha: we will continue to talk about this brought the show. we are just getting this from reuters. according to harry reid, a vote
on whether to begin debate. it looks like that will take place on a saturday, according to harry reid. we will keep you posted. trace: meantime, president obama's approval rating slipping below 50% for the first time, according to the quinnipiac poll. 40 -- 42% of respondents say they disapprove. this is not statistically different from the president's approval rating of 56%, but critics say that in politics, symbols matter, and this is not a good symbol. we will also have a brand new fox news opinion dynamics polls. much more of those coming up on "the live desk." now to the controversy over
applied 9/11 terror suspects coming to new york city for federal trial. attorney general eric holder testifying before the senate judiciary committee, saying khalid sheikh mohammed will be tried, convicted, and executed. adding that "failure is not an option." president obama making similar comments overseas, suggesting ksm will be convicted, but he later backtracked on those comments. some argue that the defense will say that their client is not getting a fair trial. catherine herridge is with us. >> we spoke with a former jag officer who oversaw the detainee program and said that these statements are prejudicial. >> the defense will file a pretrial motion before the judge and say, we respect remove to
discharge -- to remove the charges. the attorney-general has guaranteed conviction. what juror is not going to want to fill the attorney general and president's desire now? >> whether or not they do is another matter, but he argues that opened up the door that the jury pool had been poisoned, not only in the immediate area, but nationwide. trace: if there is an acquittal, he suspects will not be freed. how does that work? >> this issue was put to the attorney general yesterday by senator cornyn. >> are you concerned that a judge may have said that he made an election to try these
terrorists as criminal, and you are bound by that election? >> you cannot indefinitely detain someone, but you certainly can detain someone for lawful reasons. >> this may be an effort to reassure the suspect -- the american public that the suspects will never be free. however, it may undermine the administration's goal of showcasing the legal system. trace: more news as it breaks. thank you. martha: this has been under intense scrutiny by the international community. today, inspectors have gone back to iran's once-a top-secret nuclear plant. they are making their second trip back to the facility after the u.s. and allies raised big concerns. they say the plant is too small to be constructive for the
purposes of being an energy plants. iran claims the enrichment facility is being used for peaceful purposes, like energy, but officials say that the facility is more suited to making nuclear warheads. that has caused international alarm. president obama has issued a warning, saying the country both face consequences if they do not cooperate. so far, iran says, no deal. trace: we have an update on a store that we told you a few days ago. remember the government task force saying that women should not get mammograms until they are in near 50's? why the department of health and human services is now backpedaling. and we are breaking news that could affect every airport in the country. another computer glitch leaving
martha: let's show you some of the images we are getting. in the top box, that is aol. they say they will cut about one-third of their more force, about 2300 jobs. they say it will only happen if their planned separation with time warner actually occurs. in the middle, there is a live look at our space. the first space walk for the space shuttle atlantis mission. that is the first orthopedic surgeon to make it to counter space. in the bottom box, a live look at laguardia airport. -- our space. delays across the country after a glitch in the faa computer system. -- outerspace. it is back online now after three hours, but there is still
some delays. trace: if you are planning on flying today, even tomorrow, you may want to call ahead. there are massive delays across the country. take a look over here. this is hartsfield airport in atlanta. here is laguardia airport. the computer glitch putting everything down. caroline shively, the computer problem is fixed, but the delays are going on? >> you are right. the faa calls this residual delays, which is harmless, but could be substantial. if a single plane flies from atlanta to washington and is canceled, that ripple effect can go all day and affect other airports. if you have a nationwide
problem, like the one we had this morning, you have a problem that will affect the system throughout the day. if you are flying today, call your airline to see if your flight is going to be delayed. trace: tell us how this problem transpired. >> you cannot lift off until a flight plan is submitted to the faa. that information is normally processed at facilities across the country, but because of this problem, controllers at individual locations had to enter flight information manually, and that is what caused the delay. similar problems have been in august last year. bigger picture, the u.s. travel association says this is just an example of the antiquated computer system. trace: just a few days before
the thanksgiving holiday, people hope this does not happen again. martha: huge controversy has erupted over new guidelines from the government on when women could start to get mammograms. the panel says the recommended age to begin screening should go from age 40 all the way to age 50. this news sparked a lot of outrage among doctors and health care physicians. critics say the change would increase the number of deaths from breast cancer and possibly lead insurance companies to stop paying for screenings in women younger than 50. now there is a change in tune going on and the department of health is contesting -- distancing herself from these comments. kathleen sebelius said the mandate on mammograms remains the same. she said the panel just makes recommendations. there is also a bit of embarrassment from the white
house. we were told the white house had to revise the number of jobs created by the stimulus, and reports that money was sent to congressional districts that did not even exist? this is your money, folks. you deserve to know where it is going, so we are going to get you some answers. and the latest for a search of two armed men. a storm to a t.j. maxx store, and took hostages, but somehow got away. we now have the 911 phone call employees made. >> he had a black mask on. i think he had a gun. >> you are not sure if he had a gun? >> i do not know
trace: we have breaking news. weekly unemployment numbers are out. 505,000 people filing for first- time jobless benefits. the labor department said the number is unchanged from last week. sons and that number would have to fall to 425,000 to signal the economy is adding jobs. the honorable member for october, 10.2%, -- unemployment rate for october, 10.2%. martha: let's go on the job hunt today. congress is taking a look at how many jobs have actually been saved or created by the $787
billion stimulus package. a house committee is holding a hearing today in the wake of the news that a white house web site on the stimulus and jobs but the numbers had some mistakes in them. so clarification is needed here. james rosen is watching this for us. we have been tracking these for a couple of weeks. we have seen the obama administration post numbers that did not really add up. today, they went to face lawmakers on capitol hill to answer how this could be happening. how did it go? >> at times, questioning from the house oversight government reform committee group contentious. republican lawmakers like darryl issa criticize the overall performance of job creation. he accused vice president biden of spreading propaganda at one
point, talking about the jobs saved. democratic lawmakers like chris van hollen rose to the administration's defense. he said there was a multiplier effect of stimulus spending that has created jobs that has not been accounted for. also, peter welch of vermont says that it had been a lifeline for his state. lawmakers using this as an opportunity to alternately attack and defend the administration. martha: at one point in hearing, we are told dan burton asked the panel point-blank pretty much, how do you tell? how do you tell if a job has been saved? >> yes, and the witness panel responded to that question. there was first a stunned silence. there was also complete silence when jim jordan asked witnesses
if any of them had seen the term jobs created or saved as a metric a performance by the government? at one point, the head of the gao talk about the faa's stated that they receive from the stimulus recipients, talking about the equivalent of fte's. >> we found 4000 reports that had no money expended, but yet claimed over 50,000 fte's reported. there were other reports were money was expended but no fte's were reported. >> he also testifies one of five reports submitted by stimulus his appearance was not reviewed by any federal agency. there was also testimony that 10% of recipients of the stimulus money just blew off
their requirement to report the number of jobs saved or created. martha: thank you. trace: we now have limited 911 calls from the scene of a hostage drama at 8 t.j. maxx store in venice, florida. two men stormed the store but some of the people managed to escape through the back door. here is a portion of their call for help. >> i do not know. i saw one of them had a mask on. >> he had a mask and a gun? >> yes, he had a gun. >> do you know if she is in the store? >> i do not know. we ran out the back door.
>> how many masked men did you see? >> i only saw one, but i do not know. he had a black mask on. i think he had a gun. >> okay, you are not sure if he had a gun? [crying] trace: keep in mind, she was outside the store. can you imagine what it was like inside? in the end, none of the hostages were hurt, and the two gunmen are still on the loose. martha: it will cost more than three-quarters of a trillion dollars but somehow, if it is passed, the expenditure of that money we are told will cut the deficit. the numbers are there and
more information on the president's timing for a decision on troops in afghanistan. mike emanuel is on the north lawn. >> the president will not announce his plans for the war in afghanistan before thanksgiving. aides say he intends to meet with his national security team before going public with his final plan. the president has held eight meetings with that team. we are told to expect no. 9 in the coming days. trace: if they do not come for the tonys, maybe they will come for the slots. phil keating is on the job hunt for us in florida. >> not long from now, you will be able to come down here and place your bet for the trifecta. this is a $200 million reopening project. the first phase is $12 million, all privately funded. construction jobs are aplenty.
one out of five construction workers is out of work right now, but here they are painting, carpentry, plumbing, electrical work. workers tell me they feel lucky because otherwise it would be challenging to find a paycheck. trace: we have breaking news. robert gates talking about the fort hood investigation. >> determine immediately if there were internal weaknesses or procedural shortcomings in the department that could make as vulnerable in the future to this and i have ordered a 45-day review with three areas of emphasis. first, to buy refined possible gaps or deficiencies in defense department programs, processes, and procedures for identifying service members who could identify -- potentially pose a credible threat to others. second, to assess personal liability programs, medical screening programs, service
member of the lease and discharge policies and procedures, pre and post- employment health programs,. the counseling sessions, and procedures on the reporting and handling of adverse service member information. third and finally, to examine these efficiency of both departments domestic and physical security programs at department of defense facilities, and emergency response capabilities for mass casualty advanced -- events. officials have agreed to head this 45-day review, and i thank them for their service and contribution in what will be an intense effort. both are familiar with the department and are devoted to the safety of defense department employees and their families. i know they will conduct serious, thorough, and honest
assessments. as part of this review, each service will appoint a senior official to work with secretary west and admiral clark on service-specific issues. in light of the fort hood incident, the army will conduct a more detailed assessment whether army programs, policies, and procedures reasonably could have prevented the shooting. those findings will be submitted as part of the army's contribution to the department of purview. -- departmental review. this is by no means the end of the process, but the beginning. it's a result will inform and largely shaped a department- wide examination of any systemic institutional shortcoming. an examination i expect to be completed within six months. this more-in-depth review will detail each service, selecting an investigative panel. these panels, will, in turn,
report their findings to the 800 the panel who will assess and recommend changes in procedure, as well as areas where additional resources are required. among other issues, this will cover topics such as service member support programs, care for victims and families of mass casualty advanced, how we -- events, how we handle health care providers, and how we support the families. there is nothing any of us can say to ease the pain for the wounded, the families of the fallen, and members of the fort hood community touched by this incident. the pain that i some vividly and firsthand yesterday in tennessee. all that is left for us to do is everything in our power to prevent similar tragedies from occurring in the future.
>> do you believe there were management failures? knowing what you know now, what should have been, if you believe that? the fact that you are launching a department-wide review and indicate a lack of faith for the army to investigate itself? >> of all, the latter is not at all the case. the army has every capability to investigate itself. but all the services potentially have some of the same problems that army is trying to deal with. for example, let's say, security of our facilities. that is not limited to just the army. i have every confidence in the army's ability to do this, but it is important that we look at this from in departmental perspective. the whole purpose of what i have
laid out is to answer the first question that you asked, the tour -- to determine if there were lapses or problems. more importantly, and this is more focused on where we are today in looking ahead, what can we do to prevent something like this from happening again? >> one of the items he wanted to see look into was whether or not you could identify service members. what our service members opposed to do when they suspect someone? do they call their superior? >> as you indicated, that is one of the three areas i am asking this panel to look into.
what are those procedures, and do they need improvement? >> one detail of the investigation -- since it is already on the record, on will ask. attorney general eric holder said he was disturbed to learn that they had e-mail communications with al-awiaki. >> yes, it is disturbing, but before i draw any conclusions, i need to find out the facts. >> what is your advice to an army family right now going in and out of fort hood or another base, perhaps looking at their neighbors with suspicion? >> i remember being on the outside of the government after 9/11, and the cautions that president bush and others in the
government exercised in identifying certain categories of people as potentially suspicious. the thrust of their remarks was, in a nation as perverse as the u.s., the last thing we need to do is start pointing fingers at each other, particularly when there is no basis for it. until all the information is in, comments about how we treat each other still ought to apply. i know this is an issue that is of concern to the services. >> i would add to that, it does not take this kind of direction to have leaders recognize the challenges that are associated with this. every base, unit, literally,
leaders have immediately started to look at where they are, whether there is potential or not, and to reassure members and families and that not only do we take this extremely seriously, we are looking at it, and we want to come together in this tragic accident. it is a reminder of the times we live. leaders are, in fact, taking action, literally before there is guidance, to ensure it does not happen again. >> [inaudible] >> my message to those in uniform, including muslims in uniform, is how much we appreciate their service, the difference they make. i have, for my entire career --
i believe and the diversity of our forces is one of our strengths. not unlike the secretary said, no one should be drawing any rapid conclusions. we need to ensure we keep -- we treat everyone fairly. there are procedures that exist in all the services to look at our people and programs and evaluate ourselves as routinely. i am sure leaders are doing that. >> specifically, at the mental health ranks in the army, the allegation has been made that a shortage of mental health professionals may have left unqualified people continue on. how specific the this case before us the in terms of a general look at this policy? >> as i have indicated, they are
going to look at how we deal with stress of our health care providers, and i would say, it should not be limited to only month -- mental health care providers. you go to the hospitals and you talk to the nurses, doctors, and those who care for these grievously wounded young men and women, and their level of commitment -- i cannot imagine the burden on them of doing that all day, every day. so i think one of the things, for their own benefit, is for us to look at how we are helping them deal with stress. >> clearly, there is a
shortfall. across the department, it is about 20% or so, perhaps more significant in the army in the statistics. that is representative of the shortfall that we have in the country. we have recruited significantly in the last few years, increasing mental health providers for both members and family members, but we certainly have to reduce that gap. >> it does get harder as you go to more rural areas, finding an adequate number of mental health care providers. one of the things we are looking at is whether the military medical education system can expand -- how much it could expand beyond doctors and provide opportunities for the training of psychologists and
counselors, and so on. we would pay for that in exchange for a period of commitment to surge. then we would go into the community. one of the things we are discovering is we are trying to hire people all over the country but there is really a national shortage of these. >> based on the facts that you have now about hasan, is it fair to characterize the shooting as a terrorist attack? >> as i said in my first paragraph, i am not going to go there. first of all, as the senior person in the department and chain of command, i am least able to render opinions on these issues. i'm going to wait until the facts are in and we will let the military justice system take care of it. >> [inaudible] >> i have no idea.
>> wouldn't dare look at the issue that e-mails should have been shared earlier? given your background in the intelligence world, is that relationship, as far as intelligence-sharing, is it where it should be? >> without reference to this case, i can say the sharing of information between the intelligence community and department of defense and law- enforcement is so far superior to what it was when i left government in 1993. it is dramatically different and dramatically better. one of the things that everyone is looking at, and part of the president's requirement in looking at coup and what intelligence when, and shared it with whom, is to answer your question. we will not know until it is all
over. >> short of someone in the military making a public address, what is allowed and not allow for someone who might be described as becoming radicalized? what are they allowed to do in terms of making internet contact with people known by the government to be of that a radical stance which are not in line with u.s. policies? >> we all have private lives. basically, in any command, you are typically not over-involved, unless serving in the private lives of their command. certainly, there are difficulties and challenges.
mid-level leaders are intimately involved with the challenges -- really anybody -- would have, across a wide spectrum of areas. the expectations that leaders in gage is very much -- engage is a very much in there. as readers become aware of this over time, -- leaders become aware of this over time, and if that gets surfaced in the chain of command over time, whether it is through battalion commanders or ship commanding officers, and they routinely deal with these kinds of things when they are made known. the question is, how are they made known? that varies on the situation you are talking about. >> let's say there was a young sailor in your command making statements of the radical nature. what would be the approach the
course of action? >> without trying to map it to the current incident, my expectation is for any commander to certainly be aware of those kinds of things, and then to take appropriate action. certainly, not to sit idly by. there are a lot of ways to address it. a single proclamation, if you will, does not necessarily mean anything. >> what are your expectations of any sharing of information between the criminal investigation and as a broad review, in terms of patterns and shortfalls they saw anin the hasan case that may reveal a systemic problem that your review should take a look at? >> we have to be careful as we
put together the terms of reference, and as we go forward, to ensure we do not do anything to complicate or jeopardize the criminal prosecution. so we will have some very clear guidelines, in terms of the information we are seeking. the information we are seeking in this shorter review really can, i think, be completely isolated from the criminal investigations. we are really looking at the rest of the country in terms of what are our security capabilities, capabilities to respond to a mass casualty? that might not be an act of murder. it might be a natural disaster of some kind. what are our policies and procedures, going back to the first question?
so i think we can deal effectively with the questions being posed without creating difficulties for the criminal prosecution. at the same time, there will be clearer guidelines. >> what was your initial reaction when you heard -- trace: that is a news conference being held by robert gates as a lot -- as well as michael mullen. they are talking about what led to the shootings at fort hood. robert gates said they are going to have two reviews. a short-term review and then a longer one of about four months to six months. did they miss anything? was there a breakdown in the communications of intelligence? she knows a lot about intelligence, being at the cia. we will bring you updates as they come in. martha: for more on this, dana perino was the former white house press -- secretary.
good to have you with us. it struck me. robert gibbs was asked, -- gates was asked, do you believe this was an act of terrorism? he said that he was going to wait until the intermission was in. >> that is the right thing to do for someone in his position. as the secretary of defense, it is the right thing to do. one of the things that i have always admired about secretary gates is how he can take on a problem and figure out how to solve it. we were talking about the short term and longer term review. he gave specific dates. 45 days, three points. then he talked about no longer one. when you remember the worst band sub-par conditions at walter reed, he took that on right away and there are consequences
for the actions. i think americans can rest assured that he is going to run this appropriately. martha: to a certain extent, it struck me watching them address this issue, in this way. it spells out the basic facts, that this is more than just a crazy person who took the lives of 13 innocent people. the fact we are still talking about it, and is a very high level for around says there are some concerns here that this may be the shape of things to come, in terms of terrorism at home. >> it is appropriate to talk about it, and i think we would have been talking about it more, had the white house not given us that friday night gift about the terrorist from guantanamo bay coming to new york city. and for specific reasons, there were dots that were not
connected. even though we have the tools not to do so. to have a law enforcement mentality to this is inappropriate, and that is why secretary gates is right to have these reviews. i hope at the end of the day, we can realize, as americans, that we had a serious attack on our country. he was not someone who snapped. we have had too many of those in our world as well, but this was significantly different. i feel for the families. we should be paying more attention to it to make sure it does not happen again. martha: we are going to talk about something that was in the "journal" today. the hasan story is more important to national security than khalid sheikh mohammed, he says. >> that is right. he talks about homegrown terrorism. there was not an attack in the
years after 9/11, but there is the potential. martha: thank you. trace: he came into office with approval ratings through the roof, but in the past few months, president obama has seen his popularity slide. has he been able to turn things around or is america losing confidence in the commander in chief? we have a brand new fox news opinion dynamics polls.
martha: let's go to norfolk, virginia. that is capt. richard phillips. remember him? he is the captain of the maersk alabama, a cargo ship. let's listen to his comments. >> when i first came aboard the vessel from the lifeboat, i saw that the crew was tired, haggard, bags under the eyes, and i could see it was the crew who was working united, together as a team, to save me, for no other reason that it was your duty, your job. again, i want to thank you for that. sailors know there is no one aboard a ship that is extra, no one who is not needed.
there is no just in case personnel. everyone has a role, has a duty. if we do not fulfil those jobs as sailors, then someone has to pick up our slack. as i told the commander when i was here the first time, it was impressive to me to work among such a dedicated, professional, motivated crew, and see how they operated under his command, and how he allowed his ship to operate so professionally under his guidance. lastly, on want to thank you again. you are a dedicated team. true patriots. you are the heroes in this story. i just want to thank the true heroes of my incident, and that is you, the crew of the uss
bainbridge. [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen, commander frank castillano. >> it is a pleasure to have capt. richard phillips back on board the bainbridge, this time in sunny virginia. those five days in april were a life-changing event for every member of my group and myself -- trace: and joining me now is an engineer aboard the maersk alabama when it came under attack you just saw the captain then the group. you know what he was going through at the time. talk about how important this is to say thank you to the crew of the bainbridge. >> certainly, the navy was there for us, and i cannot thank them enough.
i would like to express our gratitude. trace: then you find out the maersk alabama was attacked again. this time they fought back. they were ready. do you agree with them having security on board at all times? >> absolutely. we are dealing with a dangerous part of the world, and with people who only understand one thing. we need to act accordingly. trace: talk about your experience, if you can. the pirates board the ship. what is it like? take us through the moments when they come on board. >> they were expecting a quick and easy take down. they were not expecting organized resistance. we did the best we did -- we could with what we had. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org--
surrender was not an option. however, we are here today and we need to do what we need to do to protect our ships. we need recognition and support. we would like to address these issues promptly, before it is too late. before an american crew is taken and dragged through the streets. trace: your point through this ordeal was the crew needs to stay together, they need to be together. >> absolutely. we come from many walks of life, but when we are at sea, there is an unspoken bond between us. we know that we are on this boat together. that is how we get by. that is the way sailors have acted for thousands of years. we need equipment and ability to
defend ourselves, and we would like to draw attention to that. trace: thank you so much, john. martha: a reminder to tune in this weekend for a fox news reported special "pirates of the 21st century" with hardball the rivera. a fascinating look at what is actually going on. -- geraldo rivera. president obama is on air force one at the moment, currently over alaska coming home from his trip to asia. he will land as the health-care debate is about to get underway in full of earnest. the full senate is going to vote this weekend on the bill unveiled by majority leader reid, and opponents are arming
themselves for the debate. there are some important individuals who could be the key to whether or not this passes. mike emanuel is at the white house. what is the white house's perspective on how this should go on saturday? >> the president is pleased by the unveiling of this bill, as well as the cbo evaluation -- although it is a costly proposal, it is less expensive than some feared. the president calling the unveiling of the bill a critical milestone. his aides say that when he gets back, he will be following with harry reid wants to do to move the bill forward, and if phone calls are necessary to members who are on the fence, he is prepared to do that. martha: in harry reid's bill, when it comes to the issue of abortion, it says private funds can be used for abortion, but no
public money can be used in that way. some people think that is not going to happen. >> there is concern that a bill designed to reform the whole health care system could get stuck on the issue of abortion. a lot of emotion on both sides. we know the president said this tupac bill was not to his liking. a lot of the liberal base did not like it either. many said they liked the senate version better. on the other side, there were others who lacked the house version. there is still work to be done on that issue. we know the president told major garrett in the interview yesterday, that he was not satisfied with the language in the stew pots bill -- stupack
k bill. martha: nancy pelosi said that she hopes that abortion does not stand in the way of this bill. good to talk to you. trace: a senate panel begins investigating the shootings at fort hood, and whether intelligence failures in nidal hasan's background prevented the attack. plus, hurricane katrina devastated new orleans. now a judge says it is not all fault of mother nature. where he is laying the blame
trace: here is what is coming into the newsroom. the national desk working on a timeline of when this health care vote is to occur. above that, a look at capitol hill. we are talking about here we read's bill. the cbo says the price tag is $849 billion, but now we have new numbers on how much of the bill will cost you in taxes and fees. -- harry reid's bill. breaking news on the 9/11 conspirators trial. there are concerns that comments made by attorney general eric holder and president obama could
prejudice the potential jury. and brand new fox news opinion dynamics polls on the president's job approval. 46% job approval, down from 53% in august. we will have more coming up. martha: senate homeland security committee began an important hearing today, trying to figure out what had been leading up to the fort hood massacre. nidal hasan opened fire in a crowded building, killing 13. 12 of them are his fellow soldiers. now it is becoming more apparent that the people he had contact with were clearly on the radar of u.s. intelligence. today, frances townsend, former white house security adviser, addressed the issue when she talked abouthis sermons were
attended by three hijackers and also by major a son -- hasan. theterrorism community knows him well. he has been -- he is well-known to the international counterterrorism community. martha: let's bring in our panel. we have a terrorism analyst and the vice president of research at the defense for democracy is. christopher dodd is a former managing director of inside security. --ro roth is a former managing director of insight security. if nidal hasan was communicating with him, why did that not raise red flax?
>> it did, and that is why he was being investigated. ultimately, they found 10 instances of communication between him and nidal hasan to be within the research. that does not sound plausible. i find it unlikely that it was in line with ptsd-related research. you also had various colleagues talking about how hasan's eyes would light up when he talked about how much he respected al- awiaki. this is something that the investigation will be looking at. martha: christopher, let me turn to you. there was an interesting piece in the "wall street journal" and it talks about how she feels there is too much freedom for people who may want to do harm to our country. it falls under the guise of first amendment, but may not belong there. let me bring up a portion of the
peaciece. martha: do you think that is right, christopher? >> there is a continuum and investigation and steps to be taken once an investigation is done before you do something as intrusive as a wiretap. you can do interviews, -- martha: so why was that not done in this case? was it done? >> i was not involved in the investigation.
i can only speculate what it was not done. he was an officer in the military and it was overlapping jurisdictions. i think they should have taken a harder look at it. i do not know why they did not. martha: the premise here is basically there is a greater threat to the nation from people like nidal hasan and others who may follow in his footsteps compared to bring people like khalid sheikh mohammed to trial. >> to me, there is a bit of falseness to this debate. homegrown terrorists can connect us with international networks. in fact, we have numerous examples. i think homegrown terrorists are at their most dangerous when they are connected to these
types of people. whether it is going back to somalia to train, or in the case of pakistan, sending people over there. martha: christopher, i think what he is getting at in this story is, we have to protect our rights to different kinds of surveillance, all the things that are at our disposal, and we cannot be afraid, in his opinion, to let the first amendment preclude that kind of investigation when it is merited. >> you do not want the first amendment to preclude an investigation, that is precisely the point. if you find out someone is talking about trying to rob a bank in new initiated in the station and do everything you can to interdict -- and you do
everything you can to interdict the bank robbers. this has always been an issue with terrorism. law enforcement has been quick to jump into wiretaps. the easier you make that come on the more intrusive the oversight will be, and more cumbersome the investigation is. if you go with a continuum on the investigation and you do what you can, and you make it hard to get a wiretap, do the other investigative stops, then law enforcement can do its job. martha: a lot of these rules that president bush put in place will be expiring soon. thank you both for being with us. good to have you with us. trace: it was one circuit board and one computer going down. that is all it took to keep
hundreds of airplanes on the ground. the faa says they have fixed the problem, but sometimes lawmakers are not so sure. what they say the faa needs to do next. and one of the key groups to put them in the white house. now they are a key group for the reason his numbers are falling. one group losing faith in the president according to our fox news opinion polls
in the middle box, the commander in chief is ready for some football. president obama's had to toss around the pigskin with nfl superstars drew brees, troy palumalo, and it will air during the thanksgiving day game. in the bottom box, a live look at hartsfield international airport. the faa says that they have located the problem of today's communication failure. one single circuit board on an internet router. it prevented air traffic control computers from across the country from talking to each other. trace: you are a football fan. new polls just coming into "the live desk." we talked about the president's overall approval ratings.
46%, down 16% from april. how is the president looking when you break it down by party? 85% of democrats say that he is doing a good job. only 15% of republicans say the same. 34% of the independents give the president a thumbs up on his performance. and joining me now is the head of our research. >> i think this shows how sharply divided americans are over the performance of the president. what i want to point out, over all, to date, 56% average approval. that is actually similar to most residents. maybe that is a silver lining for him. trace: interesting. where should the september 11 trial be held? 56% believe a military tribunal. 40% say the court system.
>> over half of americans disagree with the attorney general. this is based on the fact that they are not sure they can get a fair trial in the u.s. over half tell us they could not be an impartial juror in the trial of accused terrorists. only democrats are in favor of the court system. trace: what best describes in 9/11 attacks? 78% called it an act of terrorism. 6% said it was a violent crime. 14% said both. >> i think this explains why people believe the military tribunal was a better place for this. trace: when will the trials to focus on? 41% say terrorist attacks. 40% say interrogation
techniques. 10% said both. >> by having the trout in the u.s., what do you think will happen? people believe the techniques we used will help. they are concerned about key secrets that could be released. maybe key evidence could be tossed out. there are concerned about this decision. trace: take a look at this one. viewed favorably among voters. 70% sarah palin, 63% mike huckabee. >> over all, among republicans, she tops all of these other contenders. among all americans, only 47% have a favorable opinion of her.
compared to president obama, 56%. trace: thank you. martha: we all member the images of new orleans after hurricane katrina. it was a city under water. thousand were homeless, thousands of businesses were destroyed. now a federal judge says negligence by one group contributed to the disaster. why the government -- this is an historic decision -- could be facing a lawsuit of -- a mountain of lawsuits.
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again. and trace: we have brand new information on three big stories. a major computer glitch and an faa computer. now they have released a statement. caroline shively is in washington, d.c. >> flight delays across the country started with a software problem with their telecom center in salt lake city, and that meant computers in different regions could not talk to each other. they had it fixed but delays are still being felt across the country. trace: thank you. could the fort hood shootings have been avoided? steve centanni is at the pentagon. >> and joe lieberman held a hearing today before the homeland security hearing --
committee to see if all the dots were connected before the shooting, and its political correctness may have played a role in this. here at the pentagon, robert gates and -- announcing an internal review. back to you. trace: the question is did president obama and attorney general eric holder's comments tank -- taint the jury pool? >> we have heard from the president and the nation the attorney-general. it is a highly unusual statement, given that all defendants are innocent until proven guilty in the system. now a former defense department official says these statements are prejudicial and could be used by the defense to claim the jury pool had been tainted. trace: thank you.
martha: the government could be hit with billions of dollars in claims stemming from hurricane katrina. in a first of its kind ruling, a judge says negligence by the army corps of engineers led to massive flooding. they claim the city was left unprotected by the army's failure to maintain the mississippi river golf out that -- gulf outlet. of course, shepard smith covered hurricane katrina out on the ground four years ago. this is a huge development. >> and that channel has been at the heart of new orleanians fears for decades. locals claim it would be their death when the big one hit. well, the big one hit, and now a judge agrees. he ruled the army corps of
engineers is responsible. the disaster, he said, was man- made, and the government has to pay. six people, and a business, sued the fed, saying that that canal acted like a hurricane highway, funneling the storm surge into the city. they argue the army corps did not maintain it. the judge awarded in their favor, awarding them $720,000. it is a groundbreaking ruling. in his decision he wrote, the court knew that this threaten human life but did not act in time to prevent a catastrophic disaster that ensued with the onslaught of hurricane katrina. he went on to write monumental negligence, the judge called it. he goes on to say --
as for the government, this lawsuit will not be the end of it. this will be appealed, but no question, this opens the fed's 2 billion to in potential liabilities. it means as many as hundreds of thousands of people will have an easier time making claims against the government. martha: the army corps of engineers, the question is how they are going to appeal this, why they were not able to do their job. are they going to point the finger at washington? >> so far, they have tried to make the argument that mr. go was part of a larger flood control plan. the truth is, according to the judge's ruling, and was billed as a shortcut, a shipping channel. in 1988, the army corps of
engineers admitted in but did nothing about it. we will see where this goes. martha: it is an incredible story and it speaks to the fortitude of the people who came together to find a corps of engineers. >> finding the parish and they're in louisiana is one thing. to fight the federal government, it is an uphill climb. the army corps of engineers has been taking their knocks for decades and the people have always thought this is not done right. this has never been correct. there is corruption on local level. martha: when you think about the basic things that the government or military should be in charge of, it goes to the notion of the weather, an act of god. it is a sort of federal powers- issue, in terms of protecting the issue.
>> an act of god wiped out the gulf coast, but an act of man walked out new orleans -- wiped out new orleans. the main plaintiff in the case will be with us to tell us what happened, how the appeals process and go forward, and what this means, not just for the monetary and property level, but as well, the human toll. martha: say new orleans for me again. >> nawleans. anything purple and gold, hate you. trace: just temporary. the senate during up for a massive battle over health care.
harry reid is setting up for a showdown. the cbo estimates the cost at $849 billion. where will all of that money come from? a nonpartisan joint committee looks at the fine print. and construction workers struggling to find jobs in the weak economy. but in florida, a hialeah racetrack is looking more like a construction site. what is the driving force putting the working man back on the job?
it is the seventh attack in the area in less than two weeks. more than 80 have been killed in the attacks. in the middle box, demonstrations at the university of california today. you saw this person on our show laguest today. the you know what they are protesting? a 32% increase in their tuition charges next year. students are speaking out. in the bottom box, a live look in outerspace. they finished up two hours ahead of schedule today. now they are getting ahead, working on some other tasks. trace: harry reid releasing his bill which includes the public option, the cost, according to
cbo, a hundred $48 billion. how is the government going to pay for this? the nonpartisan joint committee on taxation look at it and found something that could cause you some new fees or taxes. welcome to the show. we looked at the cadillac plans. $149 billion will be raised from these cadillac plans. people think that these are just people who are on wall street. the problem is, all lot of people have these plants. >> this is certainly a tax increase that is going to come through a lot of levels. anybody who's family health care plan costs more than $23,000 a year will be hit by a 40% excise tax on the amount of that plan over $23,000. certainly, this is something
that hits broadway, especially public employees, who had generous health benefits. trace: this is the medicare payroll tax which would go from 1.45% to 1.91%. it goes to individuals making more than $200,000 a year. by the way, this is not interested for inflation. so a lot of people will be netted into this. what happened to $250,000? >> $250,000 for families, $200,000 for individuals. currently, this is a tax that
will mostly hit middle people, but further down, it may hit people in the middle-class -- rich people, but further down, it may hit people in the middle class. it takes the rate from 1.45 to 1.95%. for every dollar of qualifying, they will pay about 30 cents. the senate bill has a small portion that focuses on high income people, but more broadly, it uses other methods like taxing medical device makers and health insurance providers. trace: thank you, josh. martha: what do the economy, a famous racetrack, and horses have in common? and it is a tough job but someone has to do it.
for the adult beverage industry, but that is not the case. jenna lee is with us from that the valley. it looks like a nice day. >> it is a beautiful day. 750 million gallons of wine are sold every year in the country. if we are drinking full bottles, that is the equivalent of 937 olympic-sized swimming pools of wine. $122 billion of the economic impact from the one industry last year alone. that is less than years previous. the reason is we are drinking more mine, but we are drinking cheaper one, so there is less revenue going back to the industries and states. i am at the cape winery in napa valley. it opened april 1. kind of a rough time for the
opening, but the winery says they are doing okay, and that is the sentiment over all. it is always the cycle. it will come back eventually. if we like the $10 model of what we are digging now, are we going to go back to a $30 bottle of wine when the recession is over? some say we will return. i do not know. if you look at $5 bottle of wine, you may want to keep it on your table, right? trace: you would not drink a $10 a bottle of wine, martha maccallum. martha: [laughter] why is the wine industry sometimes looked at in terms of revenue for health care? >> that was something that was discussed this year. all 50 states have wineries. oftentimes, the alcohol industry is a targeted source of tax revenue and we want to fund
things like health care, or if there is a fiscal crisis, like in california. if you look at the actual bills in the house, it is not in there, and although california thought about adding a five-cent tax to the glass of wine, they also decided against it. martha: so there are wine vineyards in every state? >> every state. did you know there is a congressional wine caucus as well? i bet they probably have pretty good wine-tasting parties. they look for any taxation in the industry and try to protect the industry. about 1 million americans are employed by this industry, so they want to make sure the industry continues to grow. martha: next time, i want you to do this from the vineyards in my home state of new jersey. trace: nothing like new jersey
wine. we are on the job hunt. new figures on unemployment claims, putting the number at 505,000. that is unchanged from last week. that means there is no improvement in the number of people filing for first-time benefits. the recession has been confirmed -- particularly hard on construction workers. 7500 jobs have disappeared from this field since the february. lately, they are feeling some belief in south florida where crews are working hard renovating the high l.a. race track. seems like a pretty big project. -- hialeah racetrack.
>> we are sitting in the box section of the historic race park. that is where the ponies will be ending up. next saturday is when this thing gets open again. this is a great job for anyone in the construction business. here are a couple of contruction workers. this is the media platform. it needs to perfectly lined up with the finish line for those close finishes. we also have plumbers, electricians, painters -- basically, every trade in the construction business is doing work here. and they are doing double shifts to meet their deadline. pretty soon, eight days away. you may have some horses working out on the track. it is still pretty hot, however,
84 degrees. trace: hialeah is a landmark, right? >> that is right. we cannot show you everything, but we did discover some old 1940's box footage of a racetrac. president truman has been here. the organizers, general contractors here, are hoping once again, it will become the place to be. trace: thank you. martha: a federal judge holds the government responsible for some of the damage done by hurricane katrina. this is a major victory for the homeowners of new orleans that
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national fight system, and people in charge see it. the federal aviation administration reports that the problem started when a computer fight planned tracker failed. it is now online, but the air traffic controllers association to take all day to get flights on time again. take a look at the faa website right here. most airports are back on schedule, but you see a few yellow and orange dots in the eastern corner, where residual delays are causing problems. the same thing happened a little bit more than a year ago. brian is live in our d.c. newsroom. what went wrong here? >> computer systems here at fox, people at home work with computer systems, when they go down,